Tuesday, August 10, 2004

Beginning of The Great Recession

This site is to herald the coming of the next Great Depression which I have chosen to call the "Great Recession".

I am happy to stand on record that the unravelling of the Western, and especially English-speaking economies will commence in 2005.....perhaps 2006 at the latest. I make this statement August 10th, 2004.

Now lets address the reasons behind this unravelling, and how this will unfold.
When history looks at the reasons for this Great Recession 2006-2011 it will no doubt focus on the (almost) unparallelled expansion in the money supply during the period 1997-2004. This period roughly corresponds in history to 1921-1929, the "Roaring Twenties" leading up to leading up to the "Great Depression".

During the Roaring 20's the equity market in the United States grew dramatically on the back of a wild expansion in credit. This was fueled through equity investments on margin loan and through consumer spending on goods such as radios and motor vehicles, through what was then a new financing technique called 'hire purchase'.

The Great Recession has a similar pedigree, but with the added perils associated with mortgage refinancing and mortgage securitisation. These have perhaps been the two most critical drivers for the expansion in credit in the west from 1997 until 2004.

Alan Greenspan, in an effort to avoid a serious economic adjustment after the "Tech Crash" of 1997 has maintained interest rates at extremely, and retrospectively, irresponsible levels. Many of the world economies have followed suit and set likewise expansionary interest rates. In the case of Australia, while interest rates have been higher than those in the United States, they have also been extremely expansionary leading to rampant inflation (by other than conventional definitions).

How is this the case? Especially when the Consumer Price Index ("CPI") in both the United States and Australia has remained within "target" parameters. The simple answer is that the CPI is not a reliable measure of inflation, nor will it, in the future be considered a reliable measure of monetary policy.

These low inflation rates have translated themselves into a boom in household debt. This has been accompanied, in the U.S., by an massive expansion in government debt, and a current account deficit of 5% of GDP (at the time of writing).

Just as hire purchase and margin lending pump-primed the 1920's monetary expansion, so to has mortgage refinancing and securitisation fueled the nineties and noughties.
Mortgage refinancing is the easiest to explain. The ability to draw the equity from one's house through refinancing has exascerbated the credit boom considerably. Housing prices have risen greatly in many Western economies the US, UK, and Australia included. As housing prices have risen consumers have sought to access the equity contained in their properties. The mechanism for this has been refinancing - effectively securing a higher level of debt against the same asset.

Banks are (naturally) eager to lend, as high household debt translates into even higher profits. The funds released through refinancing have been directed to renovations and consumer spending. In Australia the car market has boomed and one must wonder exactly how many plasma TVs have been funded through mortgage refinancings.

Unfortunately, rises in housing values have been illusory. Real wages have not been rising and are most likely declining. Western workers are becoming LESS not more competitive. Lower paid workers in India, China, and Eastern Europe are competing against the West, and successfully so. Rental yields in Sydney for example, have declined from averages around 5% to averages around 2% or less.

In Australia, it appears that property prices have risen inversely to interest rates. Effectively, Australian households have maintained their mortgage debt service obligations as a percentage of income. So as interest rates have declined, borrowings have increased...either by renovating, upsizing, or refinancing for consumer purchases. The long term fundamentals for property investment have been undermined and purchasing behaviour for real estate has been driven by a continuous expectation of future capital gains.

But what if these property price rises over the last 8 years were to reverse themselves?
Mortgage securitisation is a more sinister and remote animal. But to explain its effect fully we must first understand how Reserve Banks try to control the money supply in the economy and the expansion of credit.

Banks in Western economies are generally controlled by a 'thing' called a "capital reserve". This specifies how much of their debt exposure needs to be offset by equity. This equity is held in reserve to insure against adverse circumstances...like a default on the debt they hold. However securitisation takes this debt off balance sheet; the mortgage debt is packaged into a bundle and sold off to bondholders. So effectively, the bank is no longer liable for this debt as it has been placed in a Special Purpose Vehicle ("SPV") which does not appear on the balance sheet of the bank. Hence, it does not affect the banks capital adequacy requirements. The bank can securitise as much mortgage debt as it likes with having to place equity in reserve.
The securitised debt is not protected under the umbrella of a reserve bank's capital guidelines. Defaults on securitised mortgage debt in 2007-2009 will no doubt be a key catalyst in the unravelling of the Western financial system.

So we find ourselves in August 2004, with the wood stacked, and the kindling primed (I think I smell kerosene also). So what will be the 'match' that lights the fire?

This debt expansion has ridden the back of historically low interest rates. Now excluding all other factors, eventually the debt burden of the expansionary economies would inevitably cause an adjustment in interest rates. Eventually the credit worthiness of these debt-ridden economies would progressively decline leading to a compensating increase in interest rates.
Recently several factors have combined to bring the 'flame' right to our faces. That flame is oil prices. At this moment we face a number of converging forces leading to a rise in oil prices:
- increased demand in developing economies, i.e. China and India
- the Iraq insurgency
- the possible Yukos liquidation
- the Venezualian recall vote of Chavez
- general capacity constraints
If expectations regarding oil supply get out of control through either physical supply limitations, or simply the mechanism of fear itself, then prices will rise, perhaps dramatically.

When that happens...the match hits the kindling, and it all starts. It could be very soon perhaps this month or next. If oil prices are reigned in then the adjustment may take until late 2005.

So what should I expect?

There inevitably will be massive declines in both property and equity markets with a wholesale destruction of wealth not seen since the early 1930's. There is a credible possibilty of a cascade failure in the banking system leading to a liquidity crisis (i.e. ATM's do not hand out cash).
As a medium term response, expect a full-scale rejection of economic rationalism and a vast increase in government economic regulation.

What do I do?

Well...number 1...number 2...and number 3...KILL DEBT! No matter what it takes, get out of any geared investments. Reduce debt at all costs!

Move to cash. Take your superannuation/pension out of equity into cash, and ideally true cash, not mortgage backed securities.

Move to gold. Gold has been a galactic dog of an investment pretty much since 1980, during the Afghanistan mania. However, gold moves inversely to the equity market. If you want to be more defensive than cash - choose gold. If the scenario outlined above proves true then gold will appreciate dramatically.

I am not a tranditional 'gold bull' and this is not a gold bull website....but if you want to take a position on the Great Recession then gold is it.

Lastly, if things come to pass as described then the next decade will represent a tremendous moral challenge for us all. I encourage you to confront this challenge with all the courage and human dignity that you can find.

18 Comments:

Blogger Peter said...

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11:05 pm  
Blogger Peter said...

Some sites of interest.........

The Second Great Depression:
www.depression2.tv/nwo/

The Fourth Turning (Generation Theory):
www.fourthturning.com

11:52 am  
Blogger Peter said...

One of the key drivers behind just how severe the upcoming recession will be is the fact that the English-speaking Western economies (US and Australia definitely) are in a period of negative savings.

Negative savings is a very important factor in prolonging the recession. Normally, a return to consumer spending is a critical part of the recovery process. However, because we currently have negative savings in the economy our future purchases have already been made!

As housing prices decline and home equity evaporates the capacity for a spending-driven end to the recession further dimishes.

You will note in the following article the reference to 1933 and the negative savings rate that prevailed.

* * * * * * * *

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The savings rate of U.S. consumers in September plunged to a negative level for the first time in 65 years as Americans spent heartily despite only modest growth in their paychecks, the Commerce Department said Monday.

U.S. personal spending jumped 0.5 percent to a seasonally adjusted $5.873 trillion following a revised gain of 0.4 percent in August. . .

The savings rate -- the portion of after-tax dollars left over after spending -- fell to -0.2 percent, the first negative monthly savings rate since the department began reporting the figures on a monthly basis in 1959.

Prior to that, figures were calculated quarterly. The last time there was a negative savings rate was in 1933, when the rate was -2.1 percent, a department official said. . . .


Link:
http://nt.excite.com/news/r/981102/11/news-economy

7:46 pm  
Blogger Peter said...

Peter Schiff you are my hero!

This guy has the courage to tell it like it is...
bad..really bad.

http://www.europac.net/schiffvideo.asp

I strongly recommend you watch his video interview from 2002.

10:07 am  
Blogger Peter said...

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10:47 am  
Blogger Peter said...

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ENG407A.html

An interesting article...suggesting a serious recession beginning in 2005.

10:08 pm  
Blogger Peter said...

A link to a Fortune article from Warren Buffet. It is almost a year old now but still as valid.


"Why I'm not buying the U.S. dollar"

America's growing trade deficit is selling the nation out from under us. Here's a way to fix the problem -- and we need to do it now.

By Warren E. Buffett, FORTUNE
Oct. 26, 2003

http://www.pbs.org/wsw/news/fortunearticle_20031026_03.h

11:08 am  
Blogger Peter said...

Gorilla’s in the Midst

I seem to remember an article, perhaps it was in Time Magazine, it reported on an experiment covering how people could selectively ignore ‘discordant’ information. In these experiments ordinary people would carry on a conversation with a stranger while an unusual event occurred directly in front of them. This event could include something preposterous, like a person in a gorilla suit jumping up and down next to them. When asked if they saw anything, often the test subjects simply said ‘no’. Then when they were shown a video of themselves having this conversation with a stranger - while someone in a gorilla suit jumped up and down next to them - they claimed the video was a forgery! The experiment concluded that people have the ability to selectively process information and to ignore the information that is considered irrelevant.

It seems that is exactly the case with the world economy at the moment and with investor behaviour. On page 33 of “The Australian” today is an article written by Martin Wolf of the Financial Times. It is titled “US needs a detour on road to ruin”. I mean, this is not an ambiguous title for an article. In the same section of the paper are articles titled “…captures the profit wave” and “wealth brings growth”.

When historians study the “Great Recession” I hope they appreciate some people actually did see this coming. There are a few of us here that see the person in the gorilla -suit jumping up and down! It seems however that no matter how hard the gorillas shout, and how loud they jump, only a few people are prepared to hear information outside the “conventional wisdom”.

I am sure that I could show people a documentary made in 2024 discussing how the mistakes of money expansion and debt growth led to the re-run of the Great Depression in 2005 and almost no one would be believe you. It is like the greed and avarice of the 1980’s and 1990’s has created some sort of karmic debt that simply cannot be avoided.

I noted also in reading a summary of the Great Depression that people were warning about the likelihood of a severe adjustment and the dangers of speculation well before the first of “Black Day” crashes.

PS : if you do read this please make a post...I wan't this to be a blog not a diary.

3:25 pm  
Blogger Peter said...

http://www.fiendbear.com/deatheq.htm

This link refers to an article from Business Week (US) in 1979 at the latter part of the last bear market 1966-1982, and 3 years before the beginning of the Great Bull Market 1982-2000.

This is the sort of article you would be expecting to read around 2012 when the "conventional wisdom" would be that equities have permanently become poor investments.

On that basis 2012 would be about the time you are selling your gold and gold stocks any moving into industrial equities - when everyone believes that are now dead-end investments (as people believe with gold at the moment).

3:41 pm  
Blogger Peter said...

Many thanks to Mr. Gordon for allowing me to reproduce this article orginally published in http://www.financialsense.com/.


Two Great Depressions - One Lifetime
by Robert B. Gordon, Sc. D.
August 24 2004


Assuming that the first Great Depression started at the 1931 bear market bottom, it has been over 70 years to the start of the next one to strike the developed world. This does not count Japan whose private depression is now in its 15th year. Forecast in 1995 to have started by now, unexpected actions by Mr. Greenspan to greatly heighten and prolong the 1990s stock bubble have delayed its entrance. Not only was it delayed, but almost wiped from the conscience of our national leaders and their economic advisors. Supposedly, according to our leading economists, we have been moving out of a shallow recession into a bright economic future. Nothing can be further from the true state of affairs according to expert followers of the Elliott Wave Theory.

Forecast by Robert Prechter in his monumental 1995 book At the Crest of the Tidal Wave: A Forecast for the Great Bear Market, a World Wide Depression was due to arrive after a large stock market Crash affecting the developed world. What happened, of course, was a delayed and stretched out bear market that affected the U.S. and Europe. The time table for the depression was delayed by the unexpected and somewhat unorthodox actions of Mr. Greenspan. Having been preoccupied recently with actions in the stock market, I was quite surprised to receive the following letter from a bright, young scientist.

A LETTER FROM A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL

"Just came across your article...It warrants much merit. I am a young Ph.D. scientist from Texas and I would like to share my observations about this economy with you.

Pretty much all of my young Ph.D. colleagues are have severe trouble with obtaining ANY full time employment. The pool of adjunct professors at my college has ballooned, including many who are middle aged.

Even with a remarkable background (including owning a C corp.) I cannot find ANY worthwhile employment within the United States. No problem...I would teach in the public school system. Despite having a stellar teaching record and fantastic references, I cannot even get a job in the public/private/charter school system.

Many of my colleagues who have children are living in poverty. If any do have full time jobs, its only in the 35,000 dollar range...far too low to even think about making dents in exorbitant student loans. And these incomes do not seem to be rising.

Here's more. I teach an Anatomy & Physiology class geared towards 2 year nursing degrees. 20 percent of my students have masters degrees (engineering, MBA, etc.) and 35 percent have bachelors degrees. Nobody seems to be finding any work---anywhere. Mind you, we live in the DEW metroplex...an area that's been hit relatively little compared to other major cities.

The fact is that math and science hold very few good (or high paying) jobs anymore. Research faculty and postdoctoral positions pay less than most independent school district teaching salaries.

Let me tell you the truth about this. We do not need any more medical advances/drugs. We, as an American economy, CANNOT pay the exorbitant sum to fund projects that we objectively cannot afford anymore. We cannot afford $20,000-a-month novel cancer treatments. We cannot afford to extend people’s lives past a 100 because Medicare and Social Security cannot afford it to subsidize it. The very tight NIGH and NSF funding on all levels of math and science amply reflect this, perhaps rightfully so.

Space exploration? We cannot afford this luxury. We have severe and expensive social issues that science cannot touch. How about IT? American wages cannot compete with the educated computer scientists from China and India.

Over and over our political and business leaders spout rhetoric that the future of economic prosperity depends on the innovation of today's scientists. I cannot, in good conscience, recommend a pure science or math career to any smart student right now. "

This young professional has spent many years preparing for work in a specialized field that, at least for the time being, appears to be filled with no openings for new graduates. I personally did not realize that the current situation is as bleak as depicted in the e-mail above. However, in further correspondence with this job seeker, I developed further concerns about the current problem of employment for recent young professionals.

Outsourcing of professional jobs to other nations like India is looming as a major problem for our colleges and students. Of course, our general economy is expected to get much worse in both breadth and depth as the great depression forecast by the Elliott Wave theory slowly develops. This dire view is of course held by only a tiny minority of our people and by essentially no one in our senior economist group who are totally ignorant of Ralph Elliott’s great pioneering work in the 1930s.

GROWTH PROSPECTS IN A DEPRESSION

One aspect of coming years that can be counted to help at least some job seekers is a continued growth in population. Even though birth rates may well decrease, immigration will continue, as well as some increase in longevity of both men and women. There will almost surely be a need for more workers in health care. On the negative side will be a large decrease in all types of building for homes, offices, factories etc. Unskilled workers in large numbers will need some type of government aid to survive.

Growth of students in college campuses will probably come to a sudden stop as jobs for graduates decline. The cost of a 4-year college degree may actually come down, ending many years of annual increases. The number of MBAs headed for high salaries in Wall Street will probably drop quite a bit. Research and Development will continue in many areas and be the basis for new jobs in the future.

As tax revenues drop, cities and states will have to cut employment in some areas in order to increase them in helping the unemployed. The great bulk of support for the unemployed will have to come from the Federal Government as was the case in the 1930s.

COMPARING GREAT DEPRESSIONS 1 AND 2

I seem to be part of a very small group of current writers who lived through the Great Depression 1. In fact, I am not aware of another one. I lived in a 3-generation household that existed from my birth until my leaving home for graduate school. I graduated from high school in 1931 at age 16, from college at 20 and from graduate school at 24. I worked one summer in a machine shop for 50 cents per hour and received $600 for each of the last 3 years as a Teaching Fellow at MIT. My starting salary in my first professional job was slightly under $2400 per year. During those years, I was only vaguely aware of the many problems of the Depression. I do not remember any discussions in my Econ. 101 Course relevant to the then current and very bleak economy.

My father continued to work, but his salary was cut in half. My first goal had been to be an architect, but the complete lack of any type of building stopped that. The only architect I knew was superintendent of a small apartment building to stay alive. I changed my college major at MIT to accept a job as a Teaching Fellow. I do not know how I lived on my very modest stipend. I remember that I did send my dirty laundry home to be washed and returned. Throughout 8 years of college, both students and faculty wore jackets, vests and ties. I remember buying a full suit of clothes in Boston’s Filene’s basement for $11.

The coming Depression 2 will link the on-going events in Japan to the U. S. and Europe in a true worldwide slowdown in the economy. How bad it will be and how long it will last remains to be seen. Surely the current strong levels of commerce between nations will insure a severe global depression.

The present economic slow down in the U. S. with family savings at an extremely low level does not bode well for our nation. When Great Depression 1 struck, the U. S. family savings were very much higher than now. Twenty percent of our people were living on farms and much better able to feed themselves compared to 2% now. In 1931, at the start of the first depression, there were already many 3 generation families living together, including my own. One very likely event is that family groups will move back together in the coming depression to reduce housing costs. We may see one or two empty houses on each block.

With the very poor financial conditions of cities and states, not to mention the debt levels of the Federal Government, our nation is obviously headed for extremely difficult days ahead.

THE GREAT FAILURE OF OUR ECONOMICS COMMUNITY

I have written several times about the complete lack of understanding by our economics profession on how and when great depressions happen. In the 70 years since the last Great Depression, our leading economists have completely failed to recognize both the cause and the timing of major depressions. The tragic result is that our national and global government leaders have been mislead and given very bad economic advice ever since Depression 1. The great failure of economic forecasting made it inevitable that Depression 2 would happen and that world leaders would have no warning from the experts they consulted for advice.

For some reason known only to our leaders in Economics, there has been a complete failure of any recognition by their complete community of Ralph Elliott’s brilliant discovery of natural laws that govern the detailed action of stock market waves. A retired accountant, he viewed countless stock market charts and discovered that they were hierarchical in nature (identical at all time levels from minutes to centuries) and followed a group of natural laws. His great book, The Elliott Wave Principle published during Depression 1, would have received a Nobel prize if written by a mathematician or economist. Instead it has survived only thru the work of a small group of devoted followers who have extended and proven his work. Since Elliott’s work, followers have extended Elliott Waves back to London in 1720 at the time of the South Sea Bubble and have proven a solid connection between Elliott Wave formations, market panics and subsequent major economic depressions. In fact by 1995, Robert Prechter was able to predict the end of a large Elliott Wave sequence and the beginning of Depression 2. It is difficult to believe, but apparently not one of the copies of his At the Crest of the Tidal Wave was seen or read by an American economist, of whom there are many thousands.

It is utterly amazing to me that in the past 70 years of academic work there have been only two journal articles on Elliott Waves by members of academia, a popular article by an American mathematician and brilliant scientific article by a Chilean economist. Will the American Economics community, who currently have no clue on what causes panics and depressions, discover the Elliott Wave principal before the arrival of Depression 3 far into the future? Based on the slow pace of their learning to date, the answer must be no.

I am happy to call Prof. Hernán Cortés Douglas of the Catholic University in Chile a friend in the cause of spreading the knowledge of Elliott Waves. He has given me permission to republish his paper in Financial Sense Online and it is available via my archive. He has also given me the honor of translating my paper "Wall Street’s Greatest Crime" into Spanish and making it mandatory reading in one of his classes. It contains many great quotations from some of the very best books on earlier market panics and is very easy reading.

WILL THERE BE A DEPRESSION 3?

Based on everything known today, there will be a Depression 3, but far in the future. The current Elliott Wave picture shows Depression 2 lasting for many decades after it starts but it hasn’t started yet. Alan Greenspan succeeded in extending the market mania by several years after his 1996 "irrational exuberance" comment. In fact he obviously became a promoter of the Mania in its last several years. Then, he unsuccessfully tried to rebuild a sagging economy with extremely low interest rates. So it now appears that in the fifth year of the current bear market, the U.S. and European economies are slowly slipping into what will eventually be recognized as Depression 2.

Based on our understanding of the Elliott Wave basis for the current bear market, we know that it will be very long since it is wave 4 in a 5 wave sequence that started in the London stock market in 1720. In this sequence, wave 2 lasted 62 years in a bear market that put nearly every company on the London stock exchange out of business. A well known character of Elliott Waves is that waves 2 and 4 are often the same length and type. So, followers of Ralph Elliott’s pioneering work are the only investors to have this very clear vision of the great length of the current bear market and its accompanying Depression 2. Everyone alive today may well spend the rest of their life combating No. 2, so I for one will not worry too much about No. 3.

SOME ENCOURAGING WORDS TO YOUNG READERS

The best advice to discouraged young men and women is to take each day and task one at a time and to give it your very best effort. Good things are eventually going to happen along with any setbacks. You are part of a very large country, perhaps twice the size of the 1930s when I was struggling to get an education. Our Research and Development efforts in the U. S. are much greater now and creating entirely new industries and job opportunities.

When in school, build contacts both within and outside the school that will be useful in later life. Do not be afraid to make a change in your vocation, if it is necessary or desirable. If you are having difficulty getting a job in your chosen field, make a change if possible. Start a new venture with several colleagues.

If any reader is have the problems of the Ph.D. job seeker whose letter was given earlier, I suggest the following actions. Solicit names of contacts for jobs from every possible faculty member and then do the same things with leaders in your community who are working in the field in which you seek a job. Contact these individuals with a short note asking for a few minutes of their time. Keep it up until you get the job interview you seek.

If you are fortunate to have more than one job opportunity, do not automatically accept the one with the highest salary. Consider the long range advantages and disadvantages of each. Many young people spend their money very unwisely. Start a serious savings program at an early date.

If you are having trouble locating work in your hometown, search for another area with better prospects in your specialty. Subscribe to a large newspaper in another city and study the ads to see if a visit might be worthwhile.

When you do find employment, do not spend your money as fast or faster than you earn it. In a bear stock market and depression, the most important need is an iron-clad savings plan, putting aside a mandatory 10% or more of your gross income every month.

STATUS OF THE THREE BUBBLES

Every reader of every age should read this section carefully because of its tremendous importance. The stock market bubble is now in its fifth year and is giving credence to the idea that this bear market and Depression 2 will last a very long time. We have now finished the first down leg, the first up leg (considered wrongly by most of Wall St. to be a new bull market). We are now starting down in a second leg that will eventually go to new lows. The Elliott Wave Theory predicts that the DOW--now at 10,000--will ultimately drop to 500 or lower, so it has very far to go both vertically and in time.

The second and third bubbles are the massive credit (loans) and Real Estate bubbles, which are due to collapse at any time and by so doing to surely bring on Depression 2 in its full fury. Our time table seems to be following that in Japan and about ten years later. Their stock market started down from nearly 40,000 yen in 1989 and has been as low as 7,000 with numerous rallies. Their realty started to collapse about 4 years after stocks, so we are a little behind their schedule but with every expectation of catching up.

Regardless of age, no one should be buying a house at the current elevated prices. I expect most all housing prices to fall at least 50% in the next few years and in some areas, it could be quite a bit worse. Five and ten years from now, I expect perhaps 20% of our houses will be empty or deserted and another 20% will hold 2 or 3 family generations. At some future time, there will be some very tempting bargain prices on some wonderful real estate.

Remember that this has happened before in local areas like Florida and Texas, but this time it will be a national disaster caused by 4 years of super low interest rates plus mass hysteria.

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August 24, 2004

11:56 am  
Blogger Peter said...

I would just like to clarify my Peter Schiff endorsement earlier in my blog.

I do respect Peter for speaking his mind on the debasement of the US dollar and the manner in which he is raising attention to very severe US and worldwide consequences of these actions.

However, I do not endorse Peter's criticisms of the democratic system of government, or the specific political views he expressed in the various radio episodes on his website.

Peter is of course entitled to his views, they just are not mine. I felt I should make this clear given the "hero" comment I made earlier.

Regards,

Prem

11:24 pm  
Blogger Bruce D. Collins said...

Your blog is great and very informative.

Sadly, although I do not want this to happen, I stumbled on to the state of 'world affairs' when striking up a conversation with my brother about how crazy housing prices are here (I live in Silicon Valley, CA). I did some research on the internet and found a lot of economists on high alert.

Again, I wish it weren't so but I think that it is.

I have put a link to your website on my blog- www.brucedcollins.blogspot.com (I have a website www.brucedcollins.com- I write as a hobby).

Anyway, keep up the good work, it's interesting
Bruce

10:30 am  
Blogger Peter said...

1929 RELOADED

As anyone reading this blog would be aware....I clearly believe the world is headed into a second Great Depression, or something that approximates this. So it takes something particularly well written to actually 'scare' me these days; to reinforce just how much of a mess the world's central bankers and governments have got us into.

The following article is an excellent explanation of how the US and the worlds' debt bubble have brought us to this ugly lamentable place. There are a few contrarian commentators out there that are likening the current economic position to the early 1970's. While I believe the analogies with a growing bear market for equities and the US dollar bares comparison; there is one key difference. In late 1960's/early 1970's there was no debt bubble measured as a percentage of GDP.

In the early 1930's the US debt bubble as a percentage GDP reached 270%. Today it is over 300%. My apologies for a lack of refrences... will try to provide these soon.

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_04/goldberg091704.html

6:49 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it is truly unbelievable the amount of consumer debt that is present today. people are WAY spent well into the future at this point. i can only imagine a worst case scenario with the amount of debt...which i thought was going to bring the economy down 4 years ago and i missed out on some really amazing housing opportunities because i wanted to wait for the debt fallout to pass...then jump on some bargain priced real estate. that will come though.

too much speculation and "creative" financing going on to sustain this type of appreciation. just can't happen

look at california where i live...no way can i afford a home here in Los Angeles...and would never pay 800K for a two bedroom home in my area...and tha'ts a STARTER home....so i have been looking elsewhere. like vegas and Phoneix. but even so, those markets are bubbles as well.

who knows...i would suspect perhaps later this year or early next year...i have seen prices start to dip in PHX and LV. people are discounting home prices to move the houses.

6:14 am  
Blogger Peter said...

Thanks for your comments.

I am not sure if you saw the most recent posts which are accessable from the home page at:

http://greatrecession.blogspot.com

The most recent posting includes a reference to The Economist's cover story this week on world housing prices. The mania in housing in the US seems extraordinary, both for its extent and rapidity. Due to the soon to be inverting yield curve and falling long term bond rates the monentary tightening the Fed has been undertaking has not translated into mortgage rates.

I'm sure there will be many books written in the future about what is currently happening to the world economy.

Asset prices have been created by the Fed's monetisation (negative real interest rates). I suspect at some point in the next year the US dollar may come under strong selling pressure. If there is a run on the dollar interest rates will move sharply upward and the Fed will have little control over the process.

Housing prices in US dollar terms will likely crash and in non-US dollar terms (ie. gold) I suspect they will utterly collapse.

It won't be pleasant for anyone in the end.

9:54 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, I agree that Global problems are heading our way!
However, my reasons and timing vary, isn’t perception a wonderful thing!
The real/base cause of the problems heading our way is our Global population and in particular, its explosion since the early 1930's.
This population explosion has already started to slow, as it must, to avoid a catastrophe beyond comprehension.
But the population explosion and subsequent decline is producing results, including the Baby Boomer Bust, Peak Oil and later Climate change, on an enormous scale.
The symptoms of our Global population rise and fall are only just becoming apparent and it may take up to another 4 years, before the maximum impact is obvious to all.
The Baby Boomer economic benefits have Peaked; Oil has also Peaked, with both slowing consumer demand and increasing costs, going forward.
Beyond Boomer retirement and Peak Oil, is a re-balancing of Demographic and Economic levels. The very basis of modern life will be shaken, the magnitude of the quake, will be a 9.9.
We have seen the upside of population growth; check out how the exploding birth rate fits the real global economy, fifty years on.
Now we will see the long downside, taking us to 2025 and beyond.
Whatever the future outcomes, previous growth patterns are about to end.
If some things don’t fit past patterns, it’s because this has never happened before.
Now, at the top of a once in history Population Growth Mega Cycle, we enter an Unknown Zone.
There may still be a way out for us, as always we have choices, but we are leaving it very late!

11:35 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The future, does not care what is Predicted!
The future, is also fluid, destiny rests with us!
The future, is changeable!

That said, the following date from mid 2006 and I see little reason for change, at this point.

1) END OF CURRENT STANDARD BUSINESS CYCLE
Event Initiator
- Usual cycle transition - Greed
Event Start Date
- Late 2006 to end 2007
Event Outcome/s
- Low impact, if well managed.
Event Duration
- 12 months
Event Probability
- Within 18 months, 100%. Worst Case Scenario Probability - 20%.

2) TERROR
Event Initiator
- Biological, Nuclear attack on Major Financial/Population centre, particularly in USA or attack on major Middle East Oil reserves/refineries.
Event Start Date - Within 5 years time.
Event Outcome/s
- Medium to Significant, depending on the nature of the event.
- Significant to devastating, if major damage to Saudi oil Reserves &/or refineries or closing down of the USA financial system for an extended period or large population centre.
Event Duration
- 1 to 20 years, depending on the nature of the event.
Event Probability
- Within next 5 years, 80%. Worse Case Scenario Probability - 50%.

3) INTERNATIONAL PANDEMIC
Event Initiator
- Major outbreak of Bird flu variant or similar or man made, spread as normal flu, by air.
Event Start Date
No way of knowing, but we are already overdue and Murphy ’s Law, may well be a guide.
Event Outcome/s
- Borders close, international trade and Tourism cease, the results would include countless millions dead and a severe economic Recession.
Event Duration
- 1 to 20 years, depending on the nature of the event.
Event Probability
- Within next 20 years, 30%. If event happens, Worst Case Scenario Probability - 65%.

4) PEAK OIL
Event Initiator
- First reports that production can not keep pace with consumption, due to reserves and production capacities falling.
- Hastened by Human species, Population overload.
Event Start Date
- Within 5 years.
Event Outcome/s
- Significant, to rampant increase in Oil related product pricing.
- Significant problems, in replacing Oil base, in many product lines.
- Significant increase inflationary pressure.
- Significant influence, leading to Depression and likely wars.
Event Duration
- 20 to 30 years
Event Probability
- Within 2-5 years, 100%. Worse Case Scenario Probability - 60%.

5) BABY BOOMER RETIREMENT
Event Initiator
- Commencement of Baby Boomer generation going into retirement.
Event Start Date
- Already commenced.
Event Outcome/s
- Significant reduction in Workforce Participation is likely, notwithstanding efforts to delay retirements.
- Significant immigrant intake increase likely, to offset bottlenecks in some workforce sectors, this will not be possible in some sectors and may not be well accepted.
- Significant cost factor increases will enter the economy, due to population aging, causing inflationary pressures to grow, with Taxes and Govt Deficits increasing.
- Significant reduction in Property values is likely, particularly as event shifts from retirement, to the death of Baby Boomer generation. The generation birth rates that followed the Boomers reduced to 60%, then 40% in more recent times. As the asset rich Baby Boomers die, those left will be less well off and there will be less of them – the laws of supply & demand take over.
- Significant reduction in Share Market values is likely and an extended depression commencing around 2009, give or take a year.
Event Duration
- 20 to 30 years.
Event Probability
- Start 100% -Worst case scenario Probability - 65%

6) CLIMATE CHANGE
Event Initiator
- Greenhouse gases (mostly Carbon) overload of atmosphere from vehicles, power plants and the like.
- Cause – Human species, Population overload.
Event Start Date
- Already started, dates from start of Industrial Revolution, but particularly post WW2.
- Increased impacts have already started, Major impacts within 20 years, Catastrophic 2050 onward.
Event Outcome/s
- Increase in number and severity of Climate events, such as Hurricanes, Floods, Droughts.
- Increase in sea levels worldwide, causing mass evacuations of coastal populations and deaths.
- Shutdown of ocean currents (including the Labrador in the Atlantic) circulation between polar caps and equator, due to increase in fresh water, arising from melting of large sections of polar ice shelf. Possible result is new ice age.
- Unless action is Worldwide and immediate (which does not seem likely), then the most probable outcomes appear bleak.
- If concerted action not taken immediately, this could be an end game scenario (EE). The results could include a Billions dead, an economic depression, far worse than the Great Depression and major wars.
Event Duration
- How long is a piece of string?
Event Probability
- Start 100%. Worse case scenario Probability - 75%.

None of this has to be the future, but the future will be what we make it!

Good Luck to us all and watch the debt!

9:51 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I think I smell kerosene also."

Prem,
Just curious, your reasoning for the above comment?

10:07 am  

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